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Войско гишпанское Мадрид брало, а британское помогало.

Итак, имееется трейлер аддона к игре "Napoleon Total war" посвященный войне на Пиренейском полуострове. Что интересно, сама игра стартует с марта 1811 года, в момент ее перелома, когда  британская армии под командованием Веллингтона начинает последнее окончательное наступление из Португалии. Таким обтразом за бортом остаются события первых трех лет с восстанием в Мадриде, позиционной войной на Торреш-Ведраш, обороны Сарагосы, разгрома французских корпусов испанскими войсками при Байлене и в Каталонии.


Данный отрезок не совсем нравится диванным поцреотам Испании и в комментах начинается выяснение исторической истины.

Oh my god, this is marketing bullshit for british. Spain did all, the guerrillas were who kick out the french. Yes, british and portuguese help, but, cmon xd.
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Но бритты не желают признавать дубину наваху народной войны и отвечают сразу дуплетом

wrong. At Talavera the Spanish failed. At Salamanca you did nothing. If the British did nothing how come they won EVERY battle they fought against the French and the Spaniard's lost virtually all of theirs. It was Wellington who liberated Madrid on the 2nd of August so yeah..... You're wrong. Read a History book.
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La Guerillas did not kick out the French. In a one on one battle, french voltiguers would gut a guerilla and have him served dinnerside. The Guerillas were simply farmers and workers who had been displaced by Napoleon and forced to fight for their homeland. Without the British support, Spain would not have ever come close to winning.


Еще один неравнодушный испанец выступает против фальсификации и замалчивания всякими инглезами героизма тогдашней испанской армии

+ultrasions Battle of San Marcial 1813. 17000 Spaniards vs 55000 French. Spanish decisive victory. British involvement: 0
Same goes with the battle of Bailén, first siege of Zaragoza, siege of cadiz, and many more. 


Но не на тех напал. )))

Really You wanna do this? Okay. Seige of Badajoz? Battle of Talavera, Salamanca, Cuidad Rodrigo. The list goes on. Bailen was a minor victory and Zaragoza is used as Spanish propaganda, the whole story of the women firing the cannon. In real historical terms it's all myth. There is NO way Spain would have defeated Napoleon or Joseph without the aid of the British and Portuguese. Arthur Wellesley was a far more competent general than Cuesta and the Spanish Junta ensured that their needs were met over the needs of the state and the people. Soult and Ney would have, and did, make short work of the armies of Gallicia and the army of the north and pther Spanish forces. I'm not saying the Spanish weren't involved but it was the British that liberated Spain and if you think otherwise you're deluded. 
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Естественно, в ходе любого обсуждения тех событий вылезает фигура литературного героя, офицера английских егерей ))

Either look up Wellington and what he did or read some Sharpe novels.


Тихий немец пытается примирить все стороны очевидным фактом того, что все они внесли вклад в борьбу с братьями Бoнапарт, но увы уже не действует
It was the British, Spanish and Portugese working together who won. None of them could've done it without help from the others.
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+Admiral Blas de Lezo The Spanish didn't kick the French out of Spain, the British and the Portuguese did.
It was the British, Spanish and Portugese working together who won. None of them could've done it without help from the others.
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+Admiral Blas de Lezo The Spanish didn't kick the French out of Spain, the British and the Portuguese did.
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